MAY 1, 2008 JOSEPH BROWN?

I read then reread all the papers. Why does the government think that Joseph Brown survived past James' death? I couldn't see any evidence of Joseph Brown still being alive after July 1867. Several aquaintances of his including his uncle and brother in-law? all state that he drowned in July 1867 in the log/raft accident. Although no body was recovered, nobody heard from Joseph Brown after that date. I think that there probably were a couple of Joseph Browns in the area since it is a fairly common name and the government might have been confusing him with someone else.

Rebecca seems to have married James Shay in good faith believing that Joseph Brown had drowned the previous year. I think she is the lawful widow of James and that Joseph Brown did drown in 1867. Two different documents state conflicting details of her 1st marriage. One says she married Joseph Brown in 1865 and he drowned in 1866. Another document says she married him in 1866 and he left her shortly afterwards then drowned in July 1867. I see a couple of statements attesting to the Summer 1867 drowning so I believe that they were more likely married in 1866 when Rebecca was about 15 years old.

I find it interesting that Rebecca Peal's death certificate lists her as widowed twice. Why do they not include her being a widow of Joseph Brown. I wonder if Rebecca questioned Joseph Brown's drowning death herself. She would have technically been widowed 3 times. I wonder what kind of guy Joseph Ruthledge was like if she married him in 1872 and divorced him a year later. Divorce wasn't too common in 1873 and you really needed a good reason for it.

Another thing I found interesting is that 1 document states that Mary Withrow was present at the birth of James' children. I guess the families must have known each other. Perhaps there is a connection that Margaret Mayberry has to the Withrow/Ashley families. Rebecca Peal was also born in Ballard County, KY in 1851. Could be plausible that Margaret's mother was a Ashley or Withrow or some connection?
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That bothered me too that there wasn't any documentation showing he was alive - maybe there is something is the new paperwork coming. I couldn't read the handwritten note on the bottom of the one document - I deciphered to a certain point then I couldn't figure it out.

That's a possibility - that there is an Ashley connection to our Mayberry. Per your conjecture about Shay meeting Margaret - you are right on - the land in Jackson MO was bought 1 Feb 1861 - you add a year and subtract the 3 months and add 2 weeks - its just about Mary's birth date - give a week or so. Interesting enough on the Jackson County MO Gen Site - there is a Shay that has donated documents. I wonder......

MAY 1, 2008 ENTRY IN A FORUM....INTERESTING!

George Mayberry - Missouri - 1885
Posted: 8 Oct 2007 3:54AM GMT

Classification: Query
Surnames: Mayberry, Mansfield

I'm looking for anyone that has any information regarding a George Mayberry, born either 21 May 1885 or some time in 1882 possibly in Reynolds County, Missouri. He was married to Olive Mansfield and had 5 children. His wife Olive died around 1928 so some of the children may be from another mother.

His children were: Clarence, Gordon, Nina, Thelma, & Alvin (not in that order).

I was told that George's father was Cherokee and his mother was Pawnee and that his mother died when he was very young. His mother's name may be Maggie but if she was Pawnee, it's unlikely. I know of no siblings. The Social Security Death Index shows a possible match with b: 21 May 1885 d: Nov 1971 but my father said he was born in 1882 so I can't be sure.

He died, according to my father and the Social Security Death Index, in 1971 in Mountain Grove and is most likely buried there.

Any help is greatly needed and appreciated.

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That is interesting. Perhaps a 1st or second cousin of Jane Shay Heath? I really find it doubtful that Delphia & Margaret are the natural children of Frederick & Elizabeth. They are more likely grandchildren or nieces of Frederick. If this was the case and they were orphaned and taken in by family members, then perhaps they had more siblings that were placed with other relatives in the area. This George Mayberry born bet. 1882-1885 could have been a son or grandson born to a possible brother or 1st cousin of Margaret Mayberry. A Mayberry Cherokee connection makes this even more of a possibility. I know whatever Native American blood that Jane Shay Heath had in her would not have come from her father's side. It has to lay somewhere in the Mayberry branches.

Although it may take time, we are bound to stumble across someone who has more detailed info on Frederick & Elizabeth Mayberry. Also there are two Delphia Mayberrys. One Delphia is the daughter of William Mayberry & Sarah Tenessee Lee and she married a Brown. She is a possible niece or cousin of Margaret. The other Delphia is the one listed in the 1860 census with Elizabeth Mayberry. I am not sure if this Delphia ever married or where she ended up. If she did get married and have descendants, they could prove useful in Mayberry information. Delphia was the last Mayberry listed with Elizabeth and was probably with her until she died.

MAY 1, 2008 SENT PENSION RECORDS

Here's the remaining documents in the pension file. The other documents have been copied and are awaiting shipment. I think there are some missing documents according to the sheet index in the first shipment.

Happy reading.

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Thank you.

Lots of info for me to read up on during my lunch break.

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MAY 1, 2008 GEORGE MAYBERRY

I keep looking at the ages and listings for people under Frederick's households. I looked at the 1830, 1840 & 1850 census. I also looked at the 1860 census with Elizabeth Mayberry after Frederick was deceased. It never listed the relationship to anyone in the household even in the 1860 census.

1830 Census - McCracken County, KY - Frederick Mayberry

• male (born bet. 1790-1800) *Frederick Mayberry
• female (born bet. 1790-1800) *Elizabeth "Betsy"

1. female (born bet. 1810-1815) *possible mother of Allen Children
2. male (born bet. 1815-1820) * possibly George Mayberry
3. male (born bet. 1815-1820)
4. female (born bet. 1820-1825) *other possible mother of Allen Children
5. female (born bet. 1825-1830)

1840 Census - McCracken County, KY - Frederick Mayberry

• male (born bet. 1790-1800) *Frederick Mayberry
• female (born bet. 1790-1800) *Elizabeth "Betsy"

1. male (born. bet. 1810-1820) *possible son in-law & father of Allen Children
2. female (born. bet. 1810-1820) *possible mother of Allen Children
3. female (born. bet. 1810-1820)
4. male (born. bet. 1820-1825)
5. male (born. bet. 1830-1835) *William Mayberry
6. male (born. bet. 1835-1840) *possibly James Smith
7. male (born. bet. 1835-1840) *possible Smith or Allen Child
8. male (born. bet. 1835-1840) *possible Smith or Allen Child
9. male (born. bet. 1835-1840) *possibly William Allen

1840 Census - McCracken County, KY - George Mayberry

• male (born. bet. 1810-1820) *George Mayberry
• female (born. bet. 1810-1820) *wife of George
• male (born. bet. 1835-1840) *son of George

1850 Census - Ballard County, KY - Frederick Mayberry

• Frederick Mayberry - age. 62 born in VA
• Elizabeth Mayberry - age. 61 born in KY

William Mayberry - age. 18 born in KY
*Delphia Mayberry - age 8 born in KY (possible grandchild)
*Margaret Mayberry - age 5 born in KY (possible grandchild)
*William Allen - age 10 born in KY (possible grandchild)
*John Allen - age 5 born in KY (possible grandchild)
*Matilda Allen - age 4 born in KY (possible grandchild)
*Martha Allen - age 2 born in KY (possible grandchild)
James Smith - age 13 born in KY (possible boarder/relative? or grandchild??)

I think George Mayberry is the oldest son of Frederick & Elizabeth. He seems to be living not too far from Frederick and is listed on the same census sheet. There are so many young males born between 1835-1840 listed in Frederick's household. By that time Elizabeth was either near 40 or well over 40 years old. I am wondering if a few of the oldest children born between a 1810-1820 continued to live with Frederick & Elizabeth after they married. These young children may be grandchildren. It could be possible that William Mayberry born in 1831 was the last child of Frederick & Elizabeth and all children born after 1835 could be grandchildren from their oldest children.

If the 1830 census was correct with age, then Elizabeth had a daughter born between 1810-1815 when she would have been between the ages of 15-25 years old. That correlates with a birthdate between 1790-1800. If Margaret wasn't born until 1844, Elizabeth was probably between the age of 44-54 years old. Thats pretty old to have a child in those days and probably unlikely. I am thinking that it might be more plausible that Delphia b. 1842 & Margaret b. 1844 were granddaughters of Frederick & Elizabeth. I do believe given their ages that they were sisters. They are also close to the same ages as the Allen children. The 4 boys listed under the age of 5 in the 1840 census could have been Allen children. Perhaps one of the 4 boys is William Allen who would have been an infant in 1840 and 1 of the other could have been James Smith. The other 2 boys could be an Allen or Smith and could have died by 1850 or sent to live or work elsewhere. These census records leaves me with more questions than answers.

I cannot find George in any census after 1840. Perhaps he is a possible father of Delphia & Margaret who were born after the 1840 census was taken. The girls could have been orphaned by 1850. Let me know what you think.

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I'll print this out and take it home with me tonight and look at it. One of the Mayberry forums had a discussion that George and Frederick were brothers. But, it could be that George is a son as well.

I just forwarded several documents to you - I just scanned them in and sent them to my email. I haven't looked at them to see how well they scanned.

Also, my niece picked up some documents from Aunt Edie and she said she would scan them in as well and send them to me. Perhaps, she has some further documentation for us.

PS It snowed here yesterday!

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Wow it snowed...we have been having great temperatures here. I think the age difference between Frederick & George is 25 years. If Frederick & George are brothers, they would probably be paternal half brothers. I still think it is a possibility that George may be a son.

I found another Mayberry in McCracken County that could be a brother of Frederick. There is a marriage record for a David Mayberry & Elizabeth McConnel dated 4/4/1825 in McCracken Co., Kentucky. David & Elizabeth are not listed in any census for the area though. I think they had already left the county by 1830. Frederick was too young in 1825 to have a grown son of marrying age. Frederick was only in his 30's at that time. Since I cannot find Frederick Mayberry in the 1820 census for McCracken County, its reasonable to assume that Frederick with his wife and small children came to McCracken sometime in the 1820's. Perhaps David was a brother of Frederick who helped the family move and lived with them until marrying himself.

I found George Mayberry's marriage record for 9/24/1836. It does not list who he married just states his name, the date of marriage and the county as McCracken Co., KY. I think George was around 20 years old when he married.

The is also a marriage record for John Mayberry on 9/6/1868 in McCracken County. Not sure where John fits in. He could be a son or grandson of Frederick or he could be a son of George. Perhaps David Mayberry did stick around close by and John could be a son of David Mayberry. Many possibilities!

I am not sure if Frederick Mayberry's family moved between 1840 & 1850 or if they just happened to live in a area of McCracken County that became Ballard County when the county was created in 1842. Unfortnately, the new courthouse, located in Blandville since the creation of Ballard county in 1842, burned on Feb 17, 1880. Most records were destroyed in a courthouse fire. I have a feeling many Mayberry birth, marriage, death and land records were destroyed with it. There might have been a will of Frederick Mayberry's that listed survivors that probably was destroyed as well. Very frustrating to think how much easier our research would be if those records were still intact.

I hope this info is helpful.

APRIL 30, 2008 JOHN WALDO SHAY

I am not sure if I sent this to you before, I believe I have. I believe that this is indeed the brother of James Shay and son of David & Sarah. I think I should try and get into contact with the descendants of John Shay or Isabelle Shay Bishop. They might have info on the family and James Shay.

Transcribed from E.F. Hollibaugh's Biographical history of Cloud County, Kansas biographies of representative citizens. Illustrated with portraits of prominent people, cuts of homes, stock, etc. [n.p., 1903] 919p. illus., ports. 28 cm. Historical Index Biographical Index New Name Index Return to Miltonvale Biography Listing


J. W. SHAY

Among the men in the vicinity of Miltonvale who have accumulated a comfortable competency in a comparatively short time is J.W. Shay, of the firm of Shay & McArthur, attorneys, collectors and real estate dealers. Mr. Shay came to Kansas in 1868 and settled in Lewisburg, Miami county, where he engaged in the milling business until 1874. At the expiration of that time he came to Cloud county and homesteaded land six miles west of the east corner of the southern line of the county. He sold this land In 1882 and enaged in the milling business with the firm of Shay, Catlin & Angelo, who were succeeded in 1884 by Shay & Angelo, and continued until 1886, when the mill was burned to the ground. They ran until six o'clock and about midnight the mill was a total wreck, only partially covered by insurance. The loss to the company was twelve thousand dollars. The mill was a good property, with a capacity of fifty barrels of flour per day and a grain elevator in connection. This loss crippled Mr. Shay financially and he was over two thousand dollars in debt, paying two per cent. interest on the greater part of it. In 1886 he established himself in the real estate business and since that time, by diligent application, he has acquired four hundred and eighty acres of land, which he has improved, built a handsome residence, good outbuildings, and the farm is well supplied with implements and machinery. He also has a fine herd of about one hundred graded shorthorn cattle.

Mr. Shay is a native of Crawford county, Ohio, born in 1846. His father was Daniel Shay, a native of Virginia, and when a young man came to Ohio and gained a livelihood by farming. The Shays, as the name implies, are of Irish origin. His mother was Sarah Warden. Her people were from Virginia. Mr. Shay is one of eight children, six boys and two girls. He and a sister, Isabelle Bishop, of Jefferson county, Nebraska, are the only surviving members. Mr. Shay served about four months near the close of the war. His four brothers were in the army. William was killed at Franklin, Tennessee. The other three died from one to five years later from diseases contracted during the service.

Mr. Shay was married in 1877 to Francessa Neill. They are the parents of five children: John, the eldest son, and Jesse are graduates of the Miltonvale school, and these two boys operate the farm. Fannie is a graduate of the Miltonvale school. George and James are both students of the high school.

Mr. Shay has always supported the principles of the Republican party. He has filled the office of police judge and justice of the peace. He has been a member of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows since 1882. Mr. Shay is an auctioneer and can get as much money out of a sale as any man in the The family are among the leading people, socially, of their community.

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You did send this to me, but I guess I was having a senior moment when I read it initially -- I kept thinking this couldn't be our James Shay as the dates didn't match up.

When just re-read the paragraphs I realized that this was JW and not JM -- it was most likely James' brother John. (a little slow in my old age...)

There is a website that contains some info on John W Shay but the children's names are listed as private ... I think it might actually be Nikels descendants. Nikels I think may be a name on the Cherokee Indian rolls as well.

April 30, 2008 Children of David Shay and Sarah Worden

I am just resending info on all of the children & grandchildren of David Shay & Sarah Warden. Jane Shay would have had at least 12 cousins who could have had descendants. Also Jane's sister Nancy might still have descendants floating around the Potter County, PA area. I am hoping someone somewhere might have info to help us with. Unfortnately it will only be Nancy's descendants who would have any info on the Mayberry side and that is probably a long shot. I am going to have the Potter County Historical Society send me an obituary for Nancy Shay Owens from 1944. I am hoping it can provide some details.

Children of David Shay & Sarah Warden

1. Benjamin W. Shay (b. 1833 OH d. 1876 Wyandot Co., OH) - No Descendants m. Adaline Sawyer on 7/25/1861 in Crawford Co. OH (1). Unknown Infant (deceased) (2). Gracie Shay (b. abt 1863 in Crawford Co. OH) Never Married - No Issue

2. Isabella C. Shay (b. 7/15/1836 OH d. 7/7/1916 Jefferson Co., NB) - Descendants settled in Nebraska m. Henry Bishop on 2/6/1862 in Crawford Co. (1). Chauncey Allen Bishop (b. 10/17/1862 in Crawford Co., OH) (2.) Sarah Irena Bishop (b. 2/9/1864 in Crawford Co., OH) (3.) Minnie Josephine Bishop (b. 7/26/1867 in Crawford Co., OH) (4.) Jasper Charles Bishop (b. 3/8/1871 in Crawford Co., OH) (5.) Austin Joseph Bishop (b. 3/3/1873 in Crawford County, OH) (6.) Harper Henry Bishop (b. 1/30/1876 in Crawford Co., OH) (7.) Perlia Iona Bishop (b. 8/10/1879 in Cloud Co., Kansas)

3. James M. Shay (b. 1838 OH / d. 4/21/1869 Scott Co., MO) - Descendants settled in Pennsylvania m1. Margaret Mayberry in 1860/1861 in KY or MO (1.) Mary Shay (b. 11/23/1861 in Scott Co., MO / d. 10/10/1874) (2.) Nancy Shay (b. 11/3/1865 in Scott Co., MO / d.12/16/1944) (3.) Jane Rebecca Shay (b. 11/26/1866 in Scott Co., MO / d. 1898) m2. Rebecca Withrow Brown on 7/30/1868 in Mayfield, KY (realize this is not our James Shay)

4. Mary S. Shay (b. abt. 1840 OH / d. 9/1/1865) Never Married - No Issue

5. David J. Shay (b. abt. 1842 OH / d. 6/5/1867 Crawford Co., OH) No Descendants m. Lillie A. Walter on 3/1/1866 in Crawford Co., OH --- No Issue

6. William Shay (b. abt. 1844 OH / d. 11/30/1864 Franklin, TN - Killed in Battle) Never Married - No Issue

7. John W. Shay -- (b. 5/8/1846 OH / d. 9/16/1918 in Cloud Co., KS) - Descendants settled in Kansas m. Francessa Neill on 12/2/1877 in Cloud Co., KS (1.) John Benjamin Shay (b. 10/12/1878 in Cloud Co., KS) (2.) Jesse Edgar Shay (b. 3/12/1880 in Cloud Co., KS) (3.) Fannie Shay (b. 10/27/1881 in Cloud Co., KS) (4.) George William Shay (b. 5/3/1886 in Cloud Co., KS) (5.) James David Shay (b. 1/27/1888 in Cloud Co., KS) 8. Stephen Shay (b. abt. 1848 OH / d. 1870 in Crawford Co., OH) Never Married - No Issue

April 30, 2008 BROTHER OF JAMES SHAY AND SON OF DAVID & SARAH

I am not sure if I sent this to you before, I believe I have. I believe that this is indeed the brother of James Shay and son of David & Sarah. I think I should try and get into contact with the descendants of John Shay or Isabelle Shay Bishop. They might have info on the family and James Shay.

Transcribed from E.F. Hollibaugh's Biographical history of Cloud County, Kansas biographies of representative citizens. Illustrated with portraits of prominent people, cuts of homes, stock, etc. [n.p., 1903] 919p. illus., ports. 28 cm. Historical Index Biographical Index New Name IndexReturn to Miltonvale Biography Listing

J. W. SHAY. Among the men in the vicinity of Miltonvale who have accumulated a comfortable competency in a comparatively short time is J.W. Shay, of the firm of Shay & McArthur, attorneys, collectors and real estate dealers. Mr. Shay came to Kansas in 1868 and settled in Lewisburg, Miami county, where he engaged in the milling business until 1874. At the expiration of that time he came to Cloud county and homesteaded land six miles west of the east corner of the southern line of the county. He sold this land In 1882 and enaged in the milling business with the firm of Shay, Catlin & Angelo, who were succeeded in 1884 by Shay & Angelo, and continued until 1886, when the mill was burned to the ground. They ran until six o'clock and about midnight the mill was a total wreck, only partially covered by insurance. The loss to the company was twelve thousand dollars. The mill was a good property, with a capacity of fifty barrels of flour per day and a grain elevator in connection. This loss crippled Mr. Shay financially and he was over two thousand dollars in debt, paying two per cent. interest on the greater part of it. In 1886 he established himself in the real estate business and since that time, by diligent application, he has acquired four hundred and eighty acres of land, which he has improved, built a handsome residence, good outbuildings, and the farm is well supplied with implements and machinery. He also has a fine herd of about one hundred graded shorthorn cattle.

Mr. Shay is a native of Crawford county, Ohio, born in 1846. His father was Daniel Shay, a native of Virginia, and when a young man came to Ohio and gained a livelihood by farming. The Shays, as the name implies, are of Irish origin. His mother was Sarah Warden. Her people were from Virginia. Mr. Shay is one of eight children, six boys and two girls. He and a sister, Isabelle Bishop, of Jefferson county, Nebraska, are the only surviving members. Mr. Shay served about four months near the close of the war. His four brothers were in the army. William was killed at Franklin, Tennessee. The other three died from one to five years later from diseases contracted during the service.

Mr. Shay was married in 1877 to Francessa Neill. They are the parents of five children: John, the eldest son, and Jesse are graduates of the Miltonvale school, and these two boys operate the farm. Fannie is a graduate of the Miltonvale school. George and James are both students of the high school. Mr. Shay has always supported the principles of the Republican party. He has filled the office of police judge and justice of the peace. He has been a member of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows since 1882. Mr. Shay is an auctioneer and can get as much money out of a sale as any man in the The family are among the leading people, socially, of their community. Transcribed from E.F. Hollibaugh's Biographical history of Cloud County, Kansas biographies of representative citizens. Illustrated with portraits of prominent people, cuts of homes, stock, etc. [n.p., 1903] 919p. illus., ports. 28 cm. Historical Index Biographical Index New Name IndexReturn to Miltonvale Biography Listing
Scanned from a copy held by the State Library of Kansas.

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You did send this to me, but I guess I was having a senior moment when I read it initially -- I kept thinking this couldn't be our James Shay as the dates didn't match up. When just re-read the paragraphs I realized that this was JW and not JM -- it was most likely James' brother John. (a little slow in my old age...) There is a website that contains some info on John W Shay but the children's names are listed as private ... I think it might actually be Nikels descendants. Nikels I think may be a name on the Cherokee Indian rolls as well.